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Tuesday, March 31, 2009


miguel stone crow

Meanwhile - the Global Warming Crowd (Gore, et al.) remains willfully ignorant of this type of evidence. Now controlling the legislative process, they will handicap our nation on the basis of very shakey science. If you try to engage them they will leave the table, or, if they are Al Gore, they won't debate you at all.

Brenda Rosser

I'd love to actually experience the negative feedback loop Lindzen refers to. Instead, where I live in South East Australia, our summers are getting much hotter and dryer. This summer (December-2009 - end of February 2010) is expected to be the hottest on record.
Last February set the record for daytime summer temperature, reaching about 114 degrees fahrenheit in Melbourne. Many people dying of heat stress. Trainlines actually warped in the heat. Fruit was baked on the trees. Agricultural production plummetted. Wildlife, such as koalas came out of their trees for the first time and approached tourists seeking drinks of water.

Our coastline is now eroding at an incredible rate! cycle ways washed away along with a light pole. The foundations of a highway bridge destroyed.

Theory is one thing. direct experience is another.

From Wikipedia:
According to Ross Gelbspan in a 1995 article in Harper's Magazine, Lindzen "... charges oil and coal interests $2,500 a day for his consulting services; his 1991 trip to testify before a Senate committee was paid for by Western Fuels and a speech he wrote, entitled Global Warming: the Origin and Nature of Alleged Scientific Consensus,[27] was underwritten by OPEC."[28][29] However, according to Alex Beam in a 2006 article in the The Boston Globe, Lindzen said that although he had accepted $10,000 in expenses and expert witness fees from "fossil-fuel types" in the 1990s, he had not received any money from these since.[30] Lindzen has elsewhere described the Gelbspan allegation as a "slander" and as "libelous."[31][32]

Lindzen has contributed to think tanks including the Cato Institute and the George C. Marshall Institute that have accepted money from ExxonMobil.[29]
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Brenda, you are experiencing it. The world has plateaued in warming and appears to be cooling off, local conditions notwithstanding (US had one of the coldest summers ever this year for example). It is laughable to assert that Lindzen is somehow a tool of the oil companies. It is very difficult to oppose AGW in academic circles: you don't get tenure, you have a hard time getting published, you get mocked at conferences, and you have a really hard time getting government grants. The skeptics are heros for opposing the orthodoxy.

The AGW theory has huge scientific gaps, including its most core predictions: if there were warming caused by GHG, it would show up in the greenhouse layer as a hit spot. All models predict this. But there is no hot spot. Lindzen has produced a very sound explanation of why not based on real measurements not models.

The world has been warming for 300 years since the Little Ice Age. Al the anecdotal stories of polar bears etc come from a long trendline not a recent spike. Satellite measurements show little if any warming since 1979. It may be the 300 year trend is peaking. The data is becoming overwhelming against AGW. All that they have left are ad hominem attacks on scientists like Lindzen who are steadily doing good work against major hoots of derision. Sad that this is the best shot the AGW crowd can make. It would be better to stick to science not rhetoric.


Brenda is typical of so many alarmists. She completely dismisses the incredible failure of all 20 IPCC models to predict near term temperature fluctuations - leading to necessary doubts about their validity - but bolsters her case with local subjective weather observations. She manages to ignore the fact that there has been no warming for 11 years and then bashes Lindzen for doing a very small amount of consulting work for an oil company 17 years ago - as though that fact has any bearing on his unquestionable academic standing at MIT as a world leading climatologist. It's like to trying to argue that the earth goes around the sun and them saying that look, I see it circling around us, you are wrong. Yes Brenda, you are that dumb. Btw, Lindzen doesn't argue that APGW doesn't occur - if you checked him out you'd be amazed at how brilliant and thoughtful he is. He's also equally critical of those are throwing around other theories based on solar events because their science is shaky too. The truth is that we don't understand the climate system well nor do we understand the impacts of climate change well either.

Jordan 5

I would like to live to study, and not study to live.

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