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Monday, February 22, 2010

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Sanjay

Yelnick I lost a bunch with last month puts thinking we would tank down. Where are you thinking we are going this month? I'm noticing that AIG (JUNK) is flying and
When you see junk taking off its a sign that traders and feeling more comfortable with the market and the $$$ is flowing back in would you agree?

Its a great signal

Roger D.

Just to be contrarian,I see a modest pullback and then off to the races.

Roger

http://www.screencast.com/users/fast996/folders/Default/media/2267073d-95df-43fa-978c-02be9e0ead2f

yelnick

Roger, your count looks a bit better that the STU's, which has a long 1, short 3 and very short 5, plus a smallish 4 vs the sharp 2.

yelnick

Sanjay, I think we are still at the moment of maximum chaos, the moment which could go either way. Wave count is completely ambiguous as my weekend postings should have made clear.

Bird

DG, Taz, Duncan,

I've thrown out some timing benchmarks lately and want to comment on Duncan's triple top post from earlier today.

First, I went short DIA last Friday afternoon, based on this timing approach, and thus far Friday's top survived today's triple topping, if that is what it is. So I have skin in the game and would love to see the market tank from here.

My worry is that the IWM and the SPX don't have the same clean pattern that I see in the Dow. Since these indexes largely move together, one shouldn't expect that everything will always fit neatly on all 3 at once. But here only the Dow has locked in.

BKX didn't turn at my second time "lock out" target which came due today, but has again come just shy of a price level. I would discount this, but the move down from Jan 21 to Feb 5 also must "lock in" to the new high and in this case it clearly satisfies the rule. So I call this a possible, tradable only after a move down takes hold.

As DG and Taz will recall, I started with a rather ambitious attempt at a forecast of BKX, aiming to find the end of the current uptrend but with the expectation that it would not be a new high and that the next move down would be to new lows. While I do not rule out new lows, I re-examined the measuring swing (the downswing ending Dec. 18) and see a rationale for the Feb 5 low satisfying the rule. So, before we're through with the first half, I'm dropping the second half of my call.

The upshot is that ideally everything would neatly tie out. The current "triple top" gives some evidence that the market is ready to move the other way, but it is just not perfect. So even tho I am leaning short over the short term, I am underconfident about it.

It is probably a little bird-brained to be espousing predictions based on a theory that nobody knows anything about. So I will at least say a little something about it. Simply put, every swing in every (properly scaled) market is a circle that is relevant to future price action in price, time or perimeter. The circle is a vibration that expands and contracts based on the fibonacci ratio. This is a missing link between Gann and Elliot. Gann squared price and time (it was really a circle all the time--the square is just the vertical and horizontal dimensions of the circle). Elliot brought the fibonacci ratio. Both are part of one movement.

I knew as much as I've said back in the 1980s and have been trying to make sense of it ever since. While I think I've just said a lot, there is more that I haven't said. I am actively studying, testing and trading what I've learned, and so will continue to refine. Most theories end in the dustbin. Maybe this one will too. But whether or not I succeed in bringing this to fruition, I cannot look at the markets as anything but an extraordinary dance of the highest geometry. True perfect order.

David

i think the dollar has more in it... euro looking extremely weak... have posted a count

http://www.tradeyourwayout.com/2010/02/eurusd-daily-elliott-wave-update.html

comments welcome :-)

cc

I think they will have to strengthen the dollar to prevent another commodity bubble in a recovering economy, unintended consequences. Hence, the move last week to raise the discount rate many to keep inflation at bay. I think the dollar is going to $83 to 84 NT. Equities are going down.

http://content.screencast.com/users/texana44/folders/Jing/media/36a9e70d-3d17-4fff-8e4b-29e2160a1915/2010-02-22_1819.png

http://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=$USD&p=D&yr=3&mn=0&dy=0&id=p24464992326

Taz

Thanks Bird.

Will try to absorb what you have written.

here in OZ I expect we will be up 1-2% over the next one two two days (on back of US strength). Then drop 3-4% over 6 days and then have one last attempt higher, for a lower high.

A lot of cycle guys have March as a nice bottom - Gann, Hurst and Armstrong methods. If the cycles analysis is correct and so too me we could have a nasty drop starting march.

Le Chiffre

Bird,

Sounds interesting. Are you using fib arcs or golden spiral in your approach?

Cheers,

Anon

Why would you ever waste time trying to define order to the market? As soon as you find the order, the market must metamorphize to a different form to do what it must do.

If you want to work on something, work on risk management skills. A monkey can make money throwing darts at the market if it uses a judicious risk management process.

DG

Why would you ever waste time trying to define order to the market? As soon as you find the order, the market must metamorphize to a different form to do what it must do.

If you want to work on something, work on risk management skills. A monkey can make money throwing darts at the market if it uses a judicious risk management process.

The two can go hand-in-hand. The price at which your ideal "order" begins to take shape is your entry price and the price at which your ideal "order" is violated, since there will undoubtedly be times when it appears your "order" is taking shape, but actually isn't, is your exit price. If it's possible to identify specific milestones between points A and B in your "order", you can implement stop movement as well.

Risk management should flow organically out of your entry strategies and the underlying premise of your trade. If it doesn't, the likelihood of stopping yourself out of a good trade or giving a bad trade too much room to run against you increases.

DavidDT_TTW

updated SPX charts D-Wave daily/weekly
http://screencast.com/t/ZjE0Y2MxMW

Jay

DavidDT,

Why are you depicting a potential 4th wave with a 5 wave subdivision?

DG

"My worry is that the IWM and the SPX don't have the same clean pattern that I see in the Dow."

IWM has definitely been strong, but I think the wave count is the same for it as the SPX, it's just that the standard relationships between the waves of this specific structure are more stretched in the IWM than in the SPX. Something similar happened after the November lows and up till the January highs. I don't follow the Dow.

vimsin

Stocks to fall and same for the dollar? Gold as well? They are not regular bedfellows-these 3. I think EWI will get either the call on the Dollar right or the call on stocks right; not both-good hedge on their part!

Bird

Le Chiffre, Fib arcs. But I've added a ratio that is currently not in the public domain. You need to know that to forecast the way I'm trying to do. But you don't need it to look at some charts and see that something really significant is going on with arcs (properly scaled).

You may have seen the post yelnick did of a time-price forecast I did of the Jan 19th top, first sent in early November. That did use a broad golden section spiral.

Anon, I am not a monkey, although my wife often proves that I am an idiot. I find trading 50-50 propositions extremely difficult because just when you get started you have a long string a hits against you. Darts require luck too.

I totally agree with DG that the two go hand in hand. Even with the most perfect expression of order, it is easy to screw yourself if you don't have money management. I know because I am an idiot.

Perfect order does not mean perfectly easy, or free of human error. While the essence of what I'm working with is simple visually, it is not always simple to apply. There are a surprising number of things to know. I like to throw the "KISS" rule on its head and say, "let's get really complicated". The circular dance of the markets is really complicated, but its based on a simple principles.

As I've posted before, I am a Grail seeker by nature. I think it is a mistake to read the legend, as many do, as implying that the Grail does not exist.

Simpleton

This morning's move down kind of has a wave 3 look to it on the hourly.

DG

"This morning's move down kind of has a wave 3 look to it on the hourly."

You just had to jinx it, right?

It's not a wave-3 anyway, though, but it will hopefully lead to a nice decline over the next few weeks.

Simpleton

I said kind of.

DG

Fair enough. There's just been a strong correlation between the "wave-3" crowd posting and the market reversing back up.

Hockthefarm

Every once in a while, you can still here the king's English spoken, and spoken beautifully.

What a great 2 minute speech. On message and very well delivered. A piece of art:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94lW6Y4tBXs

Hock

Jay

Hock,

It just doesn't get better than that!

Hank Wernicki

Wednesday:

$NDX Gap Down on the Open

Roger D.

The Daily EDT in Micky D's

Now if Micky D's breaks down out of this very large pattern,you know things are going to be very bad.

http://www.screencast.com/users/fast996/folders/Default/media/5226ccc0-2cb2-444a-ae96-3389cd20b4a2

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