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Saturday, April 17, 2010

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OracleLurker

sorry i can't even finish this one before commenting that i don't think what Paulson knew matters - he had know obligation to the idiots looking to purchase that garbage. AIG and all the others that took that side of the trade, a trade that could only appeal to that special combination of hubris, greed and ignorance that consumed this country from 2005-2007 DESERVE to be insolvent.

Wave Rust

It all began with fungibility of money and the quest for "a good place to put it" for awhile, as long as that 'place' has some liquidity when the money is needed back. mobility of capital as Smith and Bagehot called it.

Money market funds at brokerages beggared the banks, who then relied on growing deposits by acquisition after EFT systems went national, then global. But that was a few decades ago. The result search for yield replaced the old fashioned need for safety of where one put it. Afterall, money was just 1's and 0's on a computer, and shown on a monthly statement or a paper check.

The disregard for the return of capital is the original sin as I see it. The rotted acorn that grew the mighty oaken financial casket.

That David Li's copula(tion) formula was wrong does not mean he was a criminal, nor do we have to find criminality in the salesmen of the products based on it. We certainly aren't going to prosecute Toyota salesmen for unforeseen design problems.

Therefore, I will wait for more information to decide who is criminal among all the yield seeking people. Were they criminally greedy, criminally stupid, or just wretchedly human?

If prosecutors weren't so political, Sue Goldman wouldn't be rotating on the public spit.

Politics, politics. All is politics.

We have met the enemy and it is us.

We live in a TMZ world now, that is taking us back to the days of the rabble entertained in the Coliseum of Rome. Temporarily, they would forget their poverty and hunger.

Emporer Obama runs a ruthless entertainment business. And, his power is growing, not waning. As his popularity fluctuates, he and his administration take over more and more by assaulting the weaknesses in the US economy - autos, banks, etc. The deficits create even more opportunity for decisive power grabs in the future.

It all works until money and capital are no longer fungible and Sue Goldman is in a soup line every day.

But, I could be wrong by being too optimistic about what I am witnessing. Or, maybe I just haven't drunk the 'red' Kool-aid.

wave rust

Bob Campbell

What I don't understand is why GS went for this lunacy. GS has brilliant experts who should have known the odds of the CDS instruments failing. They can't possibly be that stupid; so what was in it for them? From what I can tell Paulson was the only one who was poised to profit.

bob m

from Bloomberg...

Volcanic eruptions may continue for months, curtailing European air traffic when the ash reaches the region, said Sigrun Hreinsdottir, a geophysicist at the University of Iceland in Reykjavik. “From what we’ve seen, it could erupt, pause for a few weeks, and then possibly erupt again.”


I am simply glad to be short this market. At some point for ANY or ALL of the reasons out there, stocks are heading down for a very long time

AbrahamYourGod

The dire situation that Goldman Sachs finds itself in is directly related to the Iceland volcano. It has become apparent that the huge plume of volcanic ash from the recent eruption in Iceland has caused a major communications blockage between god and goldman sachs. All communication between god and goldman sachs has been temporarily blacked out, and has resulted with goldman sachs having lost its golden moral compass for the time being. Therefore, goldman sachs will suspend all activity related to doing gods work until further notice.

CAUTION: markets may revert immediately to natural forces exerting non-goldmanlike/godlike influences upon the markets causing the markets to become free to finally react to elliot wave rules that have been thwarted since goldman sachs began doing gods work. Simply, look out below.

Mamma Boom Boom

Odds are, the whole thing is a head fake to get Goldman off the hook. They beat it on a technicality (SEC has no jurisdiction) and all the blab goes away.

Wave Rust

"It has become apparent that the huge plume of volcanic ash from the recent eruption in Iceland has caused a major communications blockage between god and goldman sachs. All communication between god and goldman sachs has been temporarily blacked out, and has resulted with goldman sachs having lost its golden moral compass for the time being."

Now, that is really funny! LOL

Thanks for the hoot, Abe

wave rust

Wave Rust

Mamma, If your avatar gives a current indication of your age, then, you will learn alot in the next several months and years.

The GS/Paulson event is a trial balloon into the netherworld of derivative culpability. If these types of derivatives are too complex to explain in 25 words or less, a jury or judge will convict because the glove of derivative voodoo will fit.

"The Great Inquisition" by the Inquisitor General Holder won't be isolated to GS either ,,, it will quickly gain popular appeal among the rabble. Make way for the further polarization of the sheeple, the "Have's" and the "Have-not's". That is, 'Have-not-got-a-clue' about how the game is played.

The Soros/Obama plan is to crush the economy and the people in it, convince the people that they have been hoodwinked, and that Soros/Obama socialism is the only solution.

It's a simple plan = Create a crisis -> blame the evil "_____" (name your favorite villain) -> Claim that you have the solution. -> Lenin/Hitler/Amadinejab/Obama.

So, don't be surprised if the villain becomes any of the following - Jews, Tea Baggers, Chinese, Republicans, Arabs, Christians, Europeans, honest people who speak out, ,,, the list is long because you can't do a passive overthrow of a democracy without multiple villains.

Nobody would fall for this crap if a morality and an ethic was the dominant social barrier to the decay that brought on the looming tragedy for America and others.

"The Great Inquisition" will make the The House's Unamerican Activities Commie Hunt look like an Easter Egg Hunt on the South Lawn. It will destroy many and help none but the "chosen few" who want the power.

If Yelnick won't, I will quote the trite but true words of Jorge Santayana -
"Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it."

wave rust

Chuck Cheese

Well said wave. Wake up people! If you voted for Obama and didn't see this coming, you are too stupid to vote. Stay home in November.

yelnick

Bob Campbell, most likely the answer to "why did GS do it" is prosaic: a 29 yr old who saw his path to managing director and untold riches went for it.

Chabazite

'Volcanic eruptions may continue for months, curtailing European air traffic when the ash reaches the region' - Just the Icelanders having a joke at the expense of us Brits. Repayment of three and a half billion pounds, but in ash rather than hard currency. Seriously though, it has been headlines for several days now. Story goes that there is a UK girls choir stranded in Florida; according to the BBC to get home they 'may have to be re-routed through Philadelphia'. Busted a gut at that one. They will NEVER get out of there!

betterdays

Buy a big decline this week -30 or more in S&Ps,,top will be on a double test of last weeks high

Michael

"So, don't be surprised if the villain becomes any of the following - Jews, Tea Baggers, Chinese, Republicans, Arabs, Christians, Europeans, honest people who speak out..." - Wave Rust

You are right.

Texas GOP Senator Phil Gramm and his former CFTC commissioner wife Wendy are about as "HONEST" as they come.

You've obviously have never heard of the "Commodity Futures Modernization Act of 2000".

LOL!

Michael

"Bob Campbell, most likely the answer to "why did GS do it" is prosaic: a 29 yr old who saw his path to managing director and untold riches went for it." - Yelnick

Agreed 100%.

I don't think that SEC has anything on Goldman and systematic intent. If they did, they'd be charging several Managing Directors. Instead, all they've got is a 29 year old starry-eyed VP that saw himself on the fast track to MD.

Hockthefarm

From Mish's blog:

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UK Prime Minister Cites "Moral Bankruptcy" Requests Special Investigation of Goldman; Germany Reviews Fraud Case; SEC's Case Hinges on Single Point


Now that the SEC has dropped a bomb on Goldman Sachs, the list of who wants an investigation and is about to file civil charges mounts by the hour. Prime Minister Brown is the latest in on the act.

UK Prime Minister Cites "Moral Bankruptcy" at Goldman Sachs

Please consider Brown Says He Wants Special Investigation of Goldman Sachs

Speaking on the BBC's Andrew Marr Show the Prime Minister described the situation as one of "moral bankruptcy".

Mr Brown said that the UK Financial Services Authority should launch an immediate inquiry in co-operation with the US regulator, the Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC).

"Hundreds of millions of pounds have been traded here and it looks as if people were misled about what happened. I want the Financial Services Authority to investigate it immediately."

The other two main parties have plans to reform the banking system. Among Conservatives plans is a strong push for an international agreement to stop banks engaging in large-scale trading using their own money

And the Liberal Democrats, which would have gone further than Labour's bail-out and nationalised banks, say they will separate banks' retail and investment arms.

Royal Bank of Scotland Lost $841 Million, UK Taxpayers Took The Hit

Goldman may owe British taxpayers $841m

British taxpayers have a direct material interest in the outcome of the fraud case brought against Goldman Sachs by the US financial watchdog, the Securities and Exchange Commission.

Because the bulk of the loss on the transaction at the heart of the charge against Goldman ended up with Royal Bank of Scotland, the bank where British taxpayers have an 84% stake.

The material fact to dwell on for now is that on 7 August 2008, just before Royal Bank was semi-nationalised, it paid out $841m to Goldman Sachs to settle a claim on credit insurance provided by ABN, the Dutch bank which Royal Bank had acquired (or to be more precise, it had bought a big bad chunk of ABN in the autumn of 2007).

Goldman then passed this $841m to the ultimate beneficiary of the insurance contract, the giant US hedge fund, Paulson & Co.

Now the SEC claims that the insurance contract would never have been written, and therefore the loss would never have fallen on RBS, if Goldman had told the truth about certain financially important elements of the investment product that was being insured.
Germany Reviews Legal Action Against Goldman Sachs

Inquiring minds are reading Germany Reviews Legal Action Against Goldman After Fraud Case
Germany may take legal action against Goldman Sachs Group Inc. after the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission said it was suing the company on fraud charges, government spokesman Ulrich Wilhelm said. The German financial regulator, Bafin, “will ask the SEC for information,” Wilhelm, main spokesman for Chancellor Angela Merkel, said today by phone. “Then we will look at the records and consider possible legal steps.”
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Something is clearly wrong here and it needs to be righted. But to sit around and say governments are going to "blame the jews" is insulting at best. Sounds like something the pony tailed tinkerers cum professors at UC Berkeley would say. And look what those arseholes have accomplished for California.

Hock

Zendo

The biggest sue against Wall Street ibanks by all governments worldwide just started. I think thats what GS didn't anticipate, so are there rest of the crooks in Wall Street. Now everyone worldwide who had lost money buying toxic from them can sue.

yelnick

All, lots are watching futures tonight - down a bit. Euro also is likely to take a beating. The bigger impact of GS might turn out to be in commodities. The easy speculation may be over for now due to the heat turning on GS. I will post on this shortly. This is a heads-up.

Mamma Boom Boom

Wave Rust, you give these pin-heads too much credit.

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