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Tuesday, May 25, 2010

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upstart jr.

also the goat's rear end is behind door 2 so we really just are in a total mystery about door 1

After-the-fact-traders-r-us

What WAVE are we in???
That is waaaaaay more important than trying to make money.


Posted by: Papertraders-R-us | Wednesday, May 26, 2010 at 01:10 PM

Just yesterday, someone showed you how they use wave counts to find set-ups in great detail.

How about you show us how it's done in real-time, like Steven_737 did?

Oh, that's right, because you prefer to show up AFTER a move is already in place and PRETEND that you got in at the beginning of it. Yeah, I can see how that's much easier to do.

In that case, I bought Microsoft when it went public at under $1/share.

Beat that, beatch.

Guy who likes classic things

S&P now at 1090 and no one here can get themselves to play the long side. Now watch everyone pin their hopes on a Wave ii retracement, shorting it all the way up. Meanwhile, stocks have had a huge swing move since yesterday's low, and the 2PM Eastern low. Classic.

Posted by: anonymous | Wednesday, May 26, 2010 at 07:05 AM

Also "classic"? The fact that the market topped less than 1 point higher within 30 minutes.

Now, if you had said, the market's a short here at 1090, that would have actually been impressive. Instead, you were impressive in a "Do the opposite of what this guy says" sense. Kinda like Prechter, actually.

Is that you, Bob?

DG's low life basher

Yeah, that goat's rear end looks like it is behind door 2.

Maybe the wave count is behind door 1?

Steven_737

"ACI, BTU, RIG, continue to rally.
Anyone trading the energy names?"


Good picks Michael.
CLF too.

I would welcome more pointers on your trading tactics.

cheers :)

AnonymousMichaelJT

I would welcome more pointers on your trading tactics.

Tactics?

All I do is wait until they're green on the day and then I post a message saying I've been trading them all along. When anyone calls me out on it, I tell them I was so busy trading/scalping/positioning that I couldn't post that I was about to trade them. Plus, I pretend that my super-secret moving average-based trading method is so secret that if I posted when I was about to enter, the quants on Wall Street would reverse engineer my trade entry algorithm.

That's why I never have a losing trade and I can call everyone else a moron whenever they make a market call that doesn't pan out. It's easy.

Want to know my tactics for sleeping with supermodels? Don't sleep with them, but tell everyone you did. That's how I get the primo babes.

GlennLoserNeely

"Sad to see - we miss DG."

Posted by: Yelnick | Wednesday, May 26, 2010 at 01:53 PM

Unfortunately, it sure looks like he has littered this thread with all sorts of childish rants ... and that's WITHOUT someone attacking his beloved Glenn Neely!

Friend of DG

Unfortunately, it sure looks like he has littered this thread with all sorts of childish rants

He said he wants to do one "childish rant" (your term, not his) for every time you've called someone here a "paper-trading college-kid" without any evidence to support your claim. Only about a billion more "childish rants" to go before he's halfway there.

No wonder you've been banned from every other blog out there. You are scum.

min

Anoying Michael JT;

I also trade from time to time and I asure you, when you're trading, FOR REAL, WITH YOUR OWN REAL MONEY, that's where your focus goes 100%, especially if you are trading front month options and especially futures. It's 100% concentration or you can fuck things up in a blink.

Why take the time to post for everyone else's benefit if you are not getting paid to do so? Especially with so many disparaging, unapreciative twits around?

I've had some good trades that I have posted in real time here, most of these were position or swing trades, but many more (shorter term) that no one ever hears about.

I'd rather make money than have other's approval any day —I'm sure Michael and other REAL traders think and act the same way.

You should walk the walk, then come back and comment. I guarantee you will agree with me.

Michael

"Good picks Michael.
CLF too.

I would welcome more pointers on your trading tactics."

Posted by: Steven_737 | Wednesday, May 26, 2010 at 02:16 PM.


Thanks Steven.

As opposed to the majority of people that are attracted to Elliott Wave Theory blogs such as this one, I tend to concentrate on trading one or two particular equity sectors of the market, and several of the high-beta stocks within those sectors - - - as opposed to the broad market (ES, SPY, etc.)

I think that an awful lot of people get tied up in "calling the market" because it feeds their ego, as opposed to simply concentrating on an individual sector of stocks.

As you well know, CLF had a pretty strong run off of yesterday's low at 46.64 before topping out today around 2PM at 54.70 - - - Quite frankly, I've found the coal stock sector to be great for swing trading and scalping. And contrary to what some people may mistakenly believe, individual stocks such as the high-beta coal stocks like CLF don't always trade the way that people think they do in relation to the S&P.

I've also observed that a number of bloggers and posters appear to be consumed with EWT and the likes of "P3" to such an extent that it blinds them from taking advantage of high volatility names such as CLF, or "smaller" animals such as ACI or PTEN which tend to trend for decent 5% moves.

Everyone has their own style of trading.
But I really couldn't care less what the "correct" wave count is because by the time someone much better than me (at EWT) figures it out, stocks like CLF have already made a 20% move!

min

Friend of DG;

I second that. GLN is nothing but Dog-Fuck that hides under 100s of aliases. I wouldn't be surprised if he has been kicked out of his mama's basement.

DG is a decent guy, we both went Long the dollar back in October 2009 as it was bottoming. If he's held on to his position, as I have, he's doing fine and the Taco Bell job probably belongs to "Loser Man" that is looking for a cardboard box.

DG's Gay Sex Partner

"No wonder you've been banned from every other blog out there. You are scum."

Posted by: Friend of DG | Wednesday, May 26, 2010 at 02:56 PM

Yeah, I heard he was banned from the blogs of Binve, Kenny, and Daneric . . . but he wasn't the only BULL poster that got banned.

Those bloggers were all PERMA-BEARS as soon as Prechter recommended going short 10 months ago. They missed one BULL move after another, week after week after week - - - and just couldn't stand having someone posting that reacted to the markets uptrend and made money off of it.

Binve, Kenny, and Daneric constantly "fitted" their BIAS into their wave counts. Everyone knows that. And they suffered greatly for it.

GlennLoserNeely

"Why take the time to post for everyone else's benefit if you are not getting paid to do so? Especially with so many disparaging, unappreciative twits around?" - Min

Very well put.

Perhaps there aren't any active traders that post here... just college kids that are "paper-trading" or those that are fascinated by an all-omnipotent "after-the-fact" theory such as Elliott Wave.

The "college" kid comment always seems to throw DG into a a childish rant/rage. Sounds like it hits close to home. I wonder where he attends school?

GlennLoserNeely's Gay Sex Partner with AIDS

Please forgive Glenn Loser Neelys outbursts, it's just that he is very distraught from recently being diagnosed with aids from receiving too much unprotected fudge-packing sex in his mom's basement.

Concerned for GLN

Hey GLN;

Sorry to hear about your AIDS and being homeless.

Why don't you shack up inside door #2. It comes complete with the goat's rear end he doesn't have any aids so you can dump your infected partner at the same time.

Darrin

I think that Michael does has a point.

I've noticed that no one here ever seems to talk about individual stock trading. Nor do they ever talk about trading futures, what broker they use, what trading platform or data-feed they use, etc...

Most blogs that are inhabited by traders quite frequently discuss what broker they use, commission rates, what type of platform they use to trade off of, etc. But here, no one ever mentions a word about that.

Why?

Why take the time to post for everyone else's benefit if you are not getting paid to do so? Especially with so many disparaging, unapreciative twits around?

Why take the time to pretend like you caught the bottom tick in "energy names" EVERY SINGLE DAY and then, building off your pretended great trades, call everyone else a moron and "paper-trader"?

I can CLAIM I bought the ES at the bottom tick and then say everyone who didn't do the same is an idiot, but, aside from being a complete horse's ass, why would I do that?

I'd rather make money than have other's approval any day —I'm sure Michael and other REAL traders think and act the same way.

Who is saying anything to the contrary? Don't argue against strawmen. I couldn't care less if "Michael" approves of a single thing I say. In fact, I hope he disapproves of everything I say. He can go f*ck himself.

I've had some good trades that I have posted in real time here, most of these were position or swing trades, but many more (shorter term) that no one ever hears about.

No one is asking that you post all your trades, but if, every day, you posted an hour after the market started going up saying "Man, I caught that bottom!" and doing some kind of message-board victory lap like you caught every tick, eventually someone is going to say your full of sh!t. If you wanna believe this dude is actually going long at the bottom EVERY SINGLE DAY, feel free.

I don't believe a f*cking word of it and I do think it's ruined the blog. No real trader can compete with someone who's imagining he's making all these great trades and then acts like a condescending dick when someone else makes a bad market call.

Go ahead, ask "Michael" when was the last time he had a losing trade. He won't admit to EVER having one. Yelnick quotes the stat that SAC looks for traders who can get 55% winning trades, yet some random dude posting here never has a losing trade? Go ahead and ask him, point blank, what kind of winning percentage he has on his trades. I doubt he'll even give you an answer because anything less than 100% would break the ILLUSION he is trying to create of being a good trader. You think that's "real"? Come on, you actually are a trader and I know that, so I know you know that EVERY trader has losing trades.

Then, there are more subtle things like "Michael"'s obsession with "points". "Oh, CLF is up 8 points from the bottom". No REAL TRADER talks about "points", they talk about "percentages". Shoot, Berkshire Hathaway was up 1,000+ points off its bottom over the past two days. Who friggin cares? That's a 1% move.

And, a REAL TRADER with a rational position-sizing methodology wouldn't take on the additional beta risk of a CLF without reducing the number of shares per trade to take on a specific amount of capital at-risk. Every REAL TRADER knows that the important metric in a trade is "capital at-risk" as a percentage of total capital. If I'm choosing between two $100/share stocks, but on one my stop has to be 5 points away and on the other it's 1 point away because of different levels of volatility, all other things being equal, I'm taking on a smaller number of shares on the stock whose stop is 5 points away.

A bunch of stuff this guy says strikes me as a bunch of crap.

Just one man's opinion, of course.

Bird

I could certainly be wrong but on the 60 and 30 minute scales, taking the Dow, the low on the 25th is pretty harmonic and the first high that has followed is less so. So I am inclined to think the pull back at the end of the day is a W-2 or a W-b, not so much the start of a blow out to new lows.

If I'm wrong you all will very soon know it.

Friend of DG

The "college" kid comment always seems to throw DG into a a childish rant/rage. Sounds like it hits close to home. I wonder where he attends school?

The person throwing that comment around always uses it to shut down discussion.

It's a lame rhetorical tactic that loser uses whenever he's called out on his mediocre track record in his public postings.

Most blogs that are inhabited by traders quite frequently discuss what broker they use, commission rates, what type of platform they use to trade off of, etc. But here, no one ever mentions a word about that.

Actually, the reason those things come up is because people on some blogs are dissatisfied with their current situation. If they don't come up here, it's probably because everyone is happy with where they are at.

And, keep it up with the name, motherfucker. You want to know who I am? Tell me where we can meet in person and I'll fucking show you who I am, you fucking piece of shit.

Friend of DG

Those bloggers were all PERMA-BEARS as soon as Prechter recommended going short 10 months ago. They missed one BULL move after another, week after week after week - - - and just couldn't stand having someone posting that reacted to the markets uptrend and made money off of it.

Yeah, well the market's been in a downtrend for a month and given back almost all the gains since August anyway, so what have you done lately? No one gives two shits about what you did in August.

Friend of DG

Oh, and if you're stalking me like the little pussy that you are, have the balls to admit it, you little twat. We can meet and settle our differences like men.

Steven_737

Hello Duncan;

"Given some time tomorrow I may put up a pencast describing how Bifurcation would apply to the Hope Rally."

I am looking forward to that.

Did you draw the "DOW 10,000" on the hat picture in photoshop,
or did you actually buy one and asked for the "logo" to be stamped on it?

:) :) :)

Lots at risk here; paper traders and traders getting nervous.

so guys, lighten up

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cheers :)

technicals

"When was the last time a bear market got underway with both the A/D line and the new highs confirming at the price peak? The answer is never.

The breadth answer is once in 1976. These are not the kind of odds bears should be betting against.

When was the last time a bear market got underway with both the A/D line and the new highs confirming at the price peak? The answer is:

.....never" - - - Julie

I nominate that this should be the POST OF THE WEEK!

yelnick

Upstart, that 50:50 would work if the choice of the goat door was random, since a portion of the time the prize would be revealed (1/6). When you remove that possibility, the odds increase from 1/2 to 1/2+1/6 or 2/3.

Sometimes it is better to look at this in reverse - what are the odds of you choosing wrong? The odds your first pick is wrong is 2/3. When the non-random goat door is opened, the odds you ar wrong is the same 2/3 but you now know which door to switch to. Your odds do not move to 50-50 since the goat door was non-random.

Look at this again if the host opens the door randomly. 1/6th of the time the prize would be revealed. You could pick that door! Given that information, your 1/3 odds has increased to 1/3+1/6, or 50-50.

So 50-50 if random, 2/3 if not random.

One more thought experiment. Say there are 100 doors, you pick one, and the host opens 98 with goats. Should you switch? Of course! The odds you picked the right one are only 1%, but after 98% are removed, the odds the other door is the prize has risen to 99%! This is because the host knows the winning door. If it were random, almost always the prize would show up in the 98 doors opened. When it remains hidden, you gain a huge advantage of information - in both cases.

Michael

"And, keep it up with the name, motherfucker. You want to know who I am? Tell me where we can meet in person and I'll fucking show you who I am, you fucking piece of shit." - DG

Yelnick,

I think that it's about time to say goodbye to Darrin. He's clearly got issues.

What, me worry?

Lots at risk here; paper traders and traders getting nervous.

I'm not nervous. I'll wait until the day's trend establishes itself and if the market goes up, I'll pretend like I was long all along. If it goes down, I'll either stay quiet or pretend like I was short all along. Then, I'll post under a dozen different usernames, all saying how awesome my trading is.

Then, when anyone calls me out, I'll call them a "paper-trader" without a shred of evidence.

Easy.

yelnick

Steven_737 - the Dow10K hat shows up at a few sites already. I saved a few versions from a while back as well. I have back-pocketed a Dow9K hat too :-)

Poster formerly known as DG

Hey Michael,

I go by DG here and there's a reason I do that, do you understand? As I said, if you need this explained to you in person, just tell me where I need to go to explain it to you. Where do you get off posting to me as anything other than DG, you little worm?

I will be happy, nay, ecstatic, to settle our differences in person.

Poster formerly known as DG

I mean, you've gone to the trouble to try to learn my real name, why not get to meet me in the flesh?

Come on, pussy.

Michael

Sometimes it's not just a matter of what is behind Door #1, #2, or #3 when you have high frequency trading, flash trading, and servers co-located in a football field sized facility at the NYSE and NASDAQ market centers in New Jersey.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKgpXWGc6TY

So much for a level playing field, when the exchages themselves are leasing out these "front-running" opportunities.

Poster formerly known as DG

He's clearly got issues.

Posted by: Michael | Wednesday, May 26, 2010 at 04:23 PM

Yeah, I have issues with you. What are you going to do about it? Call me a "paper-trader"? Let's meet in person and I'll show you my brokerage statements.

The funny thing is you didn't even get my name right. You can't even do that correctly. Loser.

Now go pretend to buy CLF. Run along, little pansy stalker, run along.

Naive Newbie

You mean Goldman Sachs doesn't have an "edge" in the markets because they hire graduates from MIT???

You mean they are simply "front-running" large institutional orders because the exchanges give them the opportunity to co-locate their servers in the same building that the NYSE and NASDAQ market centers are?

And here I thought I needed to learn NeoWave to have an "edge" against the Big Boys!!!


Call The Men in the Little White Robes

Looks like DG has completely snapped.

Poster formerly known as DG

And here I thought I needed to learn NeoWave to have an "edge" against the Big Boys!!!

No, the big "edge" is in the 14.2482907483956242309875498037984732-period MA. When it crosses the 7.43259837658743265873265984-period MA to the upside, you go long. When it crosses to the downside, you go short.

Or, you pretend to, anyway.

Still waiting on that meeting location, pussy.

Edson Gould

I mentioned DG's name today at my local Taco Bell and they gave me some free rice and beans along with my Carne Asada!

Poster formerly known as DG

Looks like DG has completely snapped.

Posted by: Call The Men in the Little White Robes | Wednesday, May 26, 2010 at 04:55 PM

Looks like you're backing down like the little pansy you are. Come on, you've always got something to say with that big f*cking mouth of yours, now you won't tell me where I can find you? I just want to show you my brokerage statements so you know I'm not a "paper-trader". I just want the respect of a REAL TRADER like you.

Asshole. This was seriously a good blog until you showed up.

Poster formerly known as DG

I mentioned DG's name today at my local Taco Bell and they gave me some free rice and beans along with my Carne Asada!

Posted by: Edson Gould | Wednesday, May 26, 2010 at 04:59 PM

I mentioned your daughter's name down on the street corner and they said "She'll be right back. She's gangbanging the local high school football team."

Small world.

Hockthefarm

Yelnick:

There was a sharp guy on the tube this morning (didn't catch the name) that made an interesting comment. At some point folks are going to really gravitiate to commodities like oil and the food groups. Things you can use.

He felt the switch would be at hand when we saw interest rates rising in the US at the same time as equities were falling. He gave no time line.

I'm not sure I can see that day ever coming (or atleast not for many, many years). Whenever the earth shakes, equities fall and the US gubmint borrows trillions. At the same time, the bond folks rush in to our treasuries, buy everything in sight without a care for the yield and ultimately drive yields down.

Any thoughts?

Hock

EN

Went long today. 21 days down with a late day reversal up yesterdat. Looks like a bottom has lined up with the Hurst cycles due this week. Fact that STU thinks this is only a correction up adds credence the bottom scenario.

Monty Hall problem baffles a lot of schooled folks. I drove a professor crazy trying to explain it to him, after reading about it in Marilyn vos Savant's book.

Poster formerly known as DG

I think that an awful lot of people get tied up in "calling the market" because it feeds their ego, as opposed to simply concentrating on an individual sector of stocks.

Who cares what you "think"? Do you have any proof? Who are you, freakin' Sigmund Freud?

And your coming here daily to post about your after-the-fact long trades in "energy names" isn't about ego-boosting? Gimme a break. Are you trying to say you post those messages out of the goodness of your heart?

It's been explained to you before that wave theory DOESN'T APPLY to individual stocks and sectors.

You have seriously got to be one of the stupidest people ever. You don't use wave theory on an individual stock for the same reason you don't use a hammer to saw a log. It's the wrong tool for the purpose. You say you went to business school, well, didn't they ever teach you about systemic vs. idiosyncratic risk? Duh. Wave theory = systemic risk. Individual stocks = idiosyncratic risk. Even Apple, one of the most widely held stocks and, thus, about as close to representative of systemic risk in an individual stock, gyrated wildly because of Steve Jobs' health. Wave theory does not apply to individual stocks for precisely that reason, too many company or individual-specific issues. How many hundred more times will you need this simple concept explained to you before your pea-brain comprehends it?

Maybe if you didn't expect wave theory to conform to what you want it to be and let it be what it is, you'd understand better how to use it. Wave theory doesn't revolve around your needs.

Hockthefarm

Y:

Bill Gross lays out the answer to the scenario here:

http://tinyurl.com/39xkkz2

If debt levels are high enough, a shrinking GDP closes the deal. No wonder Uncle Ben is so terrified by deflation. Deflation pushes up the debt to GDP ratio. You have to pay down debt.

Hock

min

"Perhaps there aren't any active traders that post here... just college kids that are "paper-trading" or those that are fascinated by an all-omnipotent "after-the-fact" theory such as Elliott Wave."

Posted By Glenn Loser Neely.

Just for the record, the unapreciative, disparaging twits I was referring to were you and your 101 other identities.

"Formerly known as DG" is right, you ruin it for everyone —what a great purpose you have really admirable. You really need to move out of your mama's basement and into door #2 with the goat's rear-end.

upstart

Hi Yelnick, I'm quickly passing through and don't have time to sort out what you said that's giving me a headache. Monte is removing one door and one goat from the problem. The contestant just went from having a 1/3 chance at a prize to having a 50:50 chance. With two doors left and one goat, either door has an equal probability of concealing the last goat or concealing the prize. It's a toss up. He also could have chosen to reveal the other door with the other goat instead. Monte revealing one door has no bearing on the probability of how the objects are placed behind the other doors.

Zendo

Proven this DG or whatever hundred other identities he used to post here is a mental case. He needs immediate psychiatric care now, please report that to the authority.

OracleLurker

my stuff has generated a multi-week buy signal. since the start of the bear in '07 6 of these have been winners and 2 losers, with one of those losers being the signal that came at the momentum low on 10/14/08. The other loser was the first buy signal generated during the start of the bear on 11/26/07. Would be unprecedented if it failed to at least generate a sharp 2-3 day rally (unless we just had it?) but i'm still comfortable begin 100% long here.

da bear

EN,


I think that the low could be in too.
The setup is like the low in the Fall of 2008, 1987, and 1929. Each of those times the "infamous" part of the crash was the wave 3 with the wave 5 being a slightly lower low. I pointed this out in 2008 too.

What I find odd is no one else has a wave count that points this out; unless EWI's count does. Hopefully they put out a Theorist or Financial Forecast soon.

da bear

Wavist

I love this site, it is so much better than the markets! Apologies for gatecrashing and all that but this is all way too much fun to miss out on the sidelines...

Make that 8 points off yesterday's low.
ACI, BTU, RIG, continue to rally.
Anyone trading the energy names?

Posted by: Michael | Wednesday, May 26, 2010 at 10:40 AM


You are kidding yourself my friend.
There are NO TRADERS on this blog.
Posted by: GLN | Wednesday, May 26, 2010 at 11:04 AM

I believe this is the first time that you've openly addressed yourself in second person on this forum, it really can't get any more entertaining.

As opposed to the majority of people that are attracted to Elliott Wave Theory blogs such as this one, I tend to concentrate on trading one or two particular equity sectors of the market, and several of the high-beta stocks within those sectors - - - as opposed to the broad market (ES, SPY, etc.)

I think that an awful lot of people get tied up in "calling the market" because it feeds their ego, as opposed to simply concentrating on an individual sector of stocks.

Do you mean people like this one?

S&P's are screaming higher here since the 4:15PM close!

The SPY is a full point higher.
Posted by: marketman | Tuesday, May 25, 2010 at 02:28 PM

Guido, if you aren't quite dead yet we still have your room in the Tower spare.

Upstart, the secret lies in the game show host opening one of the UNCHOSEN doors.

Roger D.

The bulls and even most bears expect a further rally for the next few days. They point to the possible bottom H&S pattern in the E-mini currently. I don't know, but this chart of MickyD is most bearish and looks to be impulsind down of todays top. I wouldn't be suprised if the Euro breaks key support here. That's the key as a new low could be catastrohic and the carry will really unwind with a USD dollar high of 88 to 90.

Roger D.

http://www.screencast.com/users/parisgnome/folders/Default/media/a2c8eaf2-7d4a-4564-b845-d1ae831cbc81

yelnick

upstart, reflect on your comment, "Monte revealing one door has no bearing on the probability of how the objects are placed behind the other doors."

- there is a 2/3 chance the prize is behind the two unchosen doors BEFORE Monty shows the goat
- if showing the goat has no effect on where the prize is, the odds are still 2/3 AFTER he shows the goat
- it is just that now now we only need to choose one of the two doors for the 2/3 odds

Since Monty's choice is not random, the odds do not shift to 50-50, since he has 2 choices not one to fool you. Perhaps this will help:
- you pick door 1
- if the prize is behind door 2, Monty picks door 3
- if the prize is behind door 3, Monty picks door 2

He gets 2 chances to fool you. He has an unfair advantage of knowing where the prize is. You have one chance to pick right, and he has two chances to fool you. So your odds are 2:1 better to switch. You lose that 1/3 time when your first pick was right. You win the 2/3 of the time when he narrowed it down to one door.

Roger D.

This better be a LDT if your long tonight.

http://www.screencast.com/users/parisgnome/folders/Default/media/e534759d-1111-426d-a983-205bf91752f8

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