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Sunday, February 27, 2011

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Zenga Zenga

Another bearish post. Rally coming?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBY-0n4esNY

Roger is gone but Yelnick the bear lives on.

twitter.com/Frac_Man

Isn't a tenet with EW that news has no bearing

On the markets ?


Ditto for Fractals ?

How does one reconcile this confict ?


Ray

QE2 goosed equities and commodities, but QE3 will drive commodities higher still. Many long only equity and fixed income managers I speak with believe the Fed will stop in June (although they thought QE2 was a long term mistake, for a short term gain). Look no further than WMT's US same store sales: down seven quarters in a row. They cater to middle and lower income customers, but that customer can no longer afford to shop there so now has to shop at Family Dollar. These are the unintended consequences of the Fed policies.
Ray

yelnick

frac_man, in EWI news and markets are both responding to the same underlying forces, so view news as coterminous with market moves. this is why the aphorism 'buy on rumor, sell on news' seems to work. by the time the news hits public consciousness, the force is almost spent and about to reverse. we may be seeing that now with oil. might be peaking along with the culmination of this stage of the Arab Revolt.

News can jink markets across short term time frames, but note that after markets reopened post 9/11, a huge rally took place almost back to the 2000 highs. If bad news drove markets down, that should not have happened.

Virgil

The whole world rallied after 9-11. Remember they were even saying "we're all New Yorkers" in Paris. NATO invoked their collective security doctrine for the first and only time in history. Unity reigned supreme, if only briefly.

Looking at the Dow Jones chart from '37 to '42 is interesting to match up the market moves to the events unfolding in the world. Ugly correction. News didn't travel that fast, and was largely censored as in the case of the disastrous Battle at Dunkirk.

Hockthefarm

Y:

Do you think we see 1250 - 1280 on the spx or is this correction already done?

This week should be positive, just like the first few days of every month it seems. Then maybe a little shake out. Dent likes the 1250 to 1280 stuff and I think Tony hit his mark for a correction to occur.

Hock

yelnick

Hock, I still expect thismarket to continue north, driven by QE3 expectations among other things. Hence a retrun to the Jan levels (1275) may be the limit down

Dsquare

"The whole world rallied after 9-11. Remember they were even saying "we're all New Yorkers" in Paris. NATO invoked their collective security doctrine for the first and only time in history. Unity reigned supreme, if only briefly."

Yeah, Bush fooled everybody.

Mamma Boom Boom

>QE3 is now considered more likely<

Try this little rhyme: "QE Infinity"

Neo-Mamma

Mamma Boom Boom

Bernie Madoff tells New York Magazine:
"I realized from a very early stage that the market is a whole rigged job. There’s no chance that investors have in this market. The whole new regulatory reform is a joke. The whole government is a Ponzi scheme."

Hockthefarm

The whole new regulatory reform is a joke. The whole government is a Ponzi scheme."

I don't think anyone ever accused Bernie of being stupid. A quick look at RE in this country confirms his assertion. And with so many people opting out of their homes here in the USA Republicans must believe that the quality of our citizenry has taken a dramtic fall. Isn't there a literary term for something that sounds as studid in reverse as it did playing forward?

Hock

Mamma Boom Boom

>Isn't there a literary term for something that sounds as stupid in reverse as it did playing forward?<

Probably, but I don't know it. Also, I don't know where it all ends. But my guess is, it's a long way off and will look nothing like the world I grew up in.

Neo-Mamma

Hockthefarm

Here is a great note from Hussman. Our government is a classroom of 5 year olds, with open paint jars and no teacher:

http://hussmanfunds.com/wmc/wmc110228.htm

Hock

joe

Yelnik - please tell me if you think this is crazy.

I took the chart, turned it upside down and started a likely five way count - that is, 1344 (SP) begins a new count (down). If it does the second wave will have to nearly equal that start point - a double top. At or near that 1344 level would start a third wave down. It would almost certainly take out the 1275 level probably a lot more.

Someting like - 1344 drops to 1294 - rallies to 1343 appx and then a third wave down, much lower than 1294.

Frankly, I think a rally on lower volume and a failure in transports to confirm - would be a shortable scenario.

I think it is likely, too.

Just IMO -

Joe

DG

Isn't a tenet with EW that news has no bearing

On the markets ?


Ditto for Fractals ?

How does one reconcile this confict ?

Only price matters. The only people who get paid for news are the people who publish it.

yelnick

Joe, a rally to 1343 would stress the odds for the bears. Today we closed a gap (1327) and got back to a good level to reverse (62% in the Dow). Thing is, the first day of the last bunch of months have all been up. The pattern of an up day in month –1 to month + 2 is pretty clear since QE2 launched. We might get back to 1333 in the S&P, a 78% retrace, and stall; but the odds say a stronger up move for the next two days. 

Yes, the fall off 1344 looks like a "5", although some pundits count it as a "3". As you know, as a "5" it means we can go all the way to your 1343 but cannot go any further. Consider this a good wave theory test to watch. 

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