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Tuesday, March 01, 2011


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Start pushing those damn buy orders Ben!!! How am I supposed to make money if I can't trust BEN dover Benny Boy.

Mamma Boom Boom

Hey, where dem two pukes been?

Mamma Boom Boom

Over the weekend, I picked up a bag of chips.

But, I didn't buy the dip.


da bear

That's a great chart.
I am expecting a bounce to 97-105 before a final crash low to 50.

Wave count? 'c' up of 4 of C (B top in 2000/2001) sounds about right to me...

Another thing to watch are the precious metals. Gold is trying to bust at the $1,430 high. Silver is just above 1.62 times the March 2008 high.

It is possible that gold decouples from stocks and rises with the dollar, but it hasn't happened yet.

On a regular chart, GLD has put in five waves off the late 2008 low. On a log chart, it still has some room to run.

Anyone know if the next Theorist is coming out soon?

da bear

da bear

I think EWI wants yelnick to do all the hard work.

EWI is scouring the internet looking for decent wave counts...

da bear

"There's always a correct wave count somewhere, my job is to help you find it."


Da bear, Theorist normally comes out mid month; sometimes early to keep the faithful in line, but usually around the 14th or 15th. Monthly Financial Forecast should be out this Friday, which means they get a really good read if the correction is still on and gaining steam.

Neely put out an emergency short today.  Market has fallen enough off 1327 that it seems we are still in a down tick. And of course the first-of-the-month pop fizzled. 

I think the test is 1275. Think of it as a classic ABC zigzag where B went 62% (in Dow, a little more in S&P) and C = A.  Hence the first test is 50 pts below 1327 or 1275 area, the January low. We might very well find a bottom there and continue northwards towards QE3. 

If we break thru 1275, then recharacterize this as a 1-2-3 down with wave 3 extending, Since A=50 pts, an extended C or now wave 3 should go 1.6x or 80 pts, another 30 pts down below the 1275 range. So call it 1250 +/-. 

If we do that, we have a 4-5 to go. A 4 of an extended 3 normally retraces the extension, so back to 1275 again (38% of the 80 pts down). Then 5 normally = 1 or another 50 pts, down to 1225. 

Then we get a wave 2 of at least 50%-62% of the whole drop (1344 to 1225 or close enough to 120 pts) so 60-75 pts back, or to the range of 1285-1300. Then a deeper wave 3 that should go 1.6x the first wave down from 1344 to 1225, or a drop off 1285-1300 of 195 pts, targeting 1090.  Etc.

Mamma Boom Boom

Consumer Reports: GM's electric Chevy Volt is "a tough sell to the average consumer."

"When you are looking at purely dollars and cents, it doesn't really make a lot of sense. The Volt isn't particularly efficient as an electric vehicle and it's not particularly good as a gas vehicle either in terms of fuel economy."

Among other failings, the car traveled only 25 to 27 miles on electric power alone, while testing on winter roads. GM says the car regularly achieves up to 33 miles.

And it's "annoying" that the car takes five hours to charge.

And it costs twice as much as Toyota's Prius, a hybrid which is more fuel efficient when driving long distances.

Hank Wernicki

You buy em they they hate em



Mamma Boom Boom

Last week the ratio of shares sold to share purchased, by financial insiders, was 855 to 1.



The Aussie dollar looking increasingly weak. Still can't quite get over the hump and out of its wedge. Portends bad things for gold?

da bear


on a 10 day chart, five waves down could be hit in the next few days, with a wave iii down to around DOW 12,000, a bounce back iv and then weakness today. EWI FF could mark the first move down of BIG 3.

I want to see if they mention gold. If they still have silver in a giant B wave then I wonder if gold is in a B wave too, which I think is the best count. If so, then gold/silver are in an a-b-c upward B correction off the 1980 top. Wave a ran up from 2000 to 2008 with the b low in late fall 2008. Since then, five waves in both are basically in, although on a log scale GLD has a little bit more room to run. So, this may just be a giant sucker's rally for the gold bugs.

That would mean that the end of the bear market in gold in a couple of years or so would also mark the end of the bear market in stocks.

Silver is up 4 times off the late 2008 low. I feel that that is somewhat extreme. Gold is more like a double off the low.

da bear

Mamma Boom Boom

>Portends bad things for gold?<

Yes, it's becoming increasing clear that the next big move for commodities is down, some may crash. I have to assume that pull push the dollar much higher.




The Volt only gets double the electric-only range of the Prius? And takes less than twice as long to charge?

The horror...

It's almost like the Volt is a better range-extended electric vehicle than the Prius - which is not an electric vehicle but a standard petrol-powered car with electric assist. They are two very different types of vehicles, but ultimately the Volt is the more versatile since ANY kind of powerplant can be used to run the generator, where as the Prius NEEDS a petrol or diesel motor connected directly to the running gear.

Mamma Boom Boom

Chris, I'm more likely to believe Consumer Reports than some fly by night website.


The Volt's gas engine directly powers an electric motor while the Prius has the gas engine & electric motor separate. It's the next step but it's got a long way to go. Without that special charging station, it takes 10 hours to power up. The all electric Nissan leaf takes 19.


Over the weekend, I picked up a bag of chips.

But, I didn't buy the dip.


Good goin!


Virgil and others on the Volt – My kids each own prius's and my wife a lexus hybrid, so have driven those sorts of electric cars. My prior VC firm invested in Tesla & I have driven it. EVs drive differently than internal combustion – smoother. The Tesla is a kick with incredible torque. You can throw your passenger back in the seat, feeling the G's as you put the pedal to the metal.  First point: one can get a different driving experience.

The Volt looks like a leap ahead, although it does not catch up in price/performance to its cousin, the Chevy Cruze. Half the price (even after subsidies) and similar driving performance. Volt has much better overall gas mileage, but the delta in price would take over 100K miles to overcome in gas savings, even at $4/gallon levels. Second point: oil is a magic elixir of the sort dreamed about in fairy tales, and electricity can not compete in power for the size/cost.

Many Prius's were bought to get the carpool lane stickers in California. I suppose we could have gotten tot he same place by charging a fee to use the carpool lanes, but it is what it is. When the stickers expired as a promotion, Prius sales dropped in half, but still sustained despite cheaper gas alternative. Third point: thee are other elements to the value proposition than a strict price/performance trade-off. 

I think the Volt will do better than the Leaf and other pure-electric vehicles, due to the fear of running out of fuel at the wrong point. The Volt's range extender let's you drive from SF to LA without such fear. 

Right now it is fantasy to see EV's as challenging the supremacy of the internal combustion engine. As a nation we may need to rotate our fleet off oil to something else, but it would take government coercion or carrots to have a chance to get us there – or much better EV innovation.  The latter is possible although the physics are challenging. Lithium batteries may not be enough; super-capacitors may be better but are a long ways from commercialization; so my bet would be on natural gas fed into fuel cells. 

The irony is natural gas is much less carbon intensive than wood, or coal, or oil; but it is not satisfactory to purists, and hence (as with thorium nuclear energy) an irrational backlash against the right path might stick us with a diseconomical & suboptimal alternative. 


"Chris, I'm more likely to believe Consumer Reports than some fly by night website."

Well then:

Or does Toyota's own website also count as "fly-by-night"?


Regardless, The comparison of the Volt to the Prius is incorrect as Yelnick has alluded to. The Prius has two engines running the same drivetrain and the Volt does not. The Volt has more in common with a diesel-electric locomotive than with the Prius as far as drivetrain is concerned.

The Volt is not what it could be and might be in the future. However, it's the first time in nearly a century that anyone has tried to build a road going vehicle in this way. People do forget just how much the first generation Prius absolutely sucked.



Ever hear of Hyperion Power? They were going to put nukes on every corner with neighborhood reactors. There was a lot of news about it a few years ago when oil last peaked but I don't know if it ever got off the drawing boards.

Mamma Boom Boom

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Virgil, yes, Hyperion, TerraPower and a slew of others were trying to build nuclear batteries, small nukes that could be left alone until they ran out of power. They are running into the usual roadblock: while the Obama administration keeps mentioning nukes as part of their future power choices, the push is all for wind & solar, and there seems to be no sense of urgency to fast-track the newer nukes inside the NRC or the broader DOE. 

Robert Metcalfe, inventor of Ethernet and a VC at Polaris in Boston, has opined that the VC investment in these companies of $50M has to be matched with a regulatory investment of another $50M, not to mention the need to carry the company passed all those NIMBY lawsuits and planning commission delays. This makes them hard to fund, so they struggle. Easier to fund a twitter. 

As a side note: ever notice that the VC backed industries that do best are those regulated the least?

A tragedy indeed. Thorium is the next best thing to Fusion, and for a mere $10B (small in the scheme of money being stimulated these days) we could build a new industry around thorium salt reactors. Karl Denninger likes to rant about how the value of the thorium thrown away in coal mining is higher than the coal itself. Power too cheap to meter … 

Mamma Boom Boom

Odds are, a lot of bulls are going to jump on a spike, in the morning. I think it's going to result in 'whiplash'.


da bear


looks like a five move down off the top.

if EWI posts a Financial Forecast on Friday then it could mark a short-term low.

da bear

da bear

if this is an attempt to put in a five wave move down then DJIA 11,633 is a good target.

da bear


Monday ramp.....check! First trading day of month trading in the green, almost a sure thing!!!

MHD, I hope you didn't get too cocky!

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First, how can market cycles roll over in a world undergoing massive quantitative easing (QE1 and QE2)? Is it possible that the US Federal Reserve as tamed the market so that there is no more pullbacks, swings or cycles.

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